1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,040 the bereaved relatives of soldiers who 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,839 died in the Iraq War have criticized 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:10,040 Tony Blair's apology RT UK spoke to 4 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:12,200 Roger Bacon whose son major bacon major 5 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:15,280 Matthew bacon was killed by a roadside 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:19,039 bomb in bazra we've known all along that 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:21,359 the the the uh the the interpretation of 8 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:27,279 the intelligence that was given to him 9 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:29,720 was was dead dodgy anyway um and 10 00:00:27,279 --> 00:00:31,920 uh it's long overdue that he should do 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,800 so but it doesn't seem to me that it's a 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,800 it's a fool he's not saying um I'm sorry 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,040 that we went to war and that we ought 14 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,000 not to have gone to war he's not doing 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:44,160 that it it it's it's a partial thing 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:46,680 that certain aspects of it he apologize 17 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:49,520 for bad judgment I suppose is what what 18 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,680 they're saying here um not for the fact 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,640 that he actually wanted to go into Iraq 20 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,280 in the first place and you and it makes 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,399 you wonder why he had to take himself 22 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:02,039 off to America to do it and whether in 23 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:04,720 fact um he was in some way coaxed into 24 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:06,560 into doing that or suggested that it 25 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,280 might be a good idea that he did 26 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,759 it London mayoral candidate George 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,880 Galloway co-directed the killing of Tony 28 00:01:11,759 --> 00:01:16,119 Blair the documentary film was part of 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,560 his campaign to get Blair tried for war 30 00:01:16,119 --> 00:01:20,840 crimes in an international Court he 31 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,360 joins me in the studio George thanks 32 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,600 very much for joining us you're 33 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,680 obviously no fan of Tony Blair has he 34 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,759 won you over with this apology no it's 35 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,960 not an apology it's a non-apology 36 00:01:28,759 --> 00:01:35,000 apology it's a btle for the forthcoming 37 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:37,439 chilcott report which we must presume 38 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:41,920 that sometime in our lifetime is going 39 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:45,320 to deliver uh it was a set of weasle 40 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:48,000 words but even if it had been an apology 41 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:49,960 an apology just doesn't do it you 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,439 apologize if you bump someone's car or 43 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,920 stand on their toe if you're responsible 44 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:58,240 for the deaths of a million people and 45 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:01,439 for sending fanatic extremism cascading 46 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:04,399 around the world with no end in sight on 47 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:06,159 either of those fronts then an apology 48 00:02:04,399 --> 00:02:08,879 just doesn't do it he has to face 49 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:11,440 Justice you mentioned the timing is this 50 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:13,280 a preemptive strike before we get some 51 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,120 uh well he gets some bad news from the 52 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,680 chil Cott inquiry yes uh it's a 53 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:21,480 prebuttal so that we realize that he has 54 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:24,360 been listening that he's uh learned a 55 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,080 thing or two and accepts a thing or two 56 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,400 for me the only significant thing in 57 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,080 what he said was his admission could 58 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,840 hardly do otherwise but he hasn't done 59 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:36,800 it before that the rise of isil and 60 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,280 al-Qaeda in Iraq and Syria is directly 61 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,200 connected to the decision that bush and 62 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,959 him made to invade and occupy Iraq 63 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,200 that's an important admission and it's 64 00:02:43,959 --> 00:02:48,920 one that should send him to the he well 65 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,159 before he did absolutely refuse to admit 66 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:53,959 fault so this must be a victory of some 67 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:56,720 sort and isn't it better late than never 68 00:02:53,959 --> 00:02:59,239 well it is a victory of some uh kind but 69 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,400 it's not enough the families that you've 70 00:02:59,239 --> 00:03:03,920 just been listed to and the Iraqi 71 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,799 families that we never hear from the 1 72 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:08,680 million Iraqi families who lost people 73 00:03:06,799 --> 00:03:12,040 and the Syrian families hundreds of 74 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:15,720 thousands who have indirectly uh been 75 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:18,680 victims of uh Blair's hubris and uh the 76 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,840 wickedness of him and Bush uh ignoring 77 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,720 the millions who told them not to do 78 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:26,720 this I mean it's not that the rest of us 79 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:29,959 didn't know we all saw clearly that this 80 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:33,439 would not end well and it has ended so C 81 00:03:29,959 --> 00:03:35,760 catastrophically that frankly the he is 82 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:37,319 the best place for him how much 83 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,560 transparency can we expect from the 84 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:41,599 chill cot inquiry well I described it 85 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,799 when it was appointed I described it in 86 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:47,080 Parliament as a parade of establishment 87 00:03:43,799 --> 00:03:50,200 flunkies and uh the time that they've 88 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,439 taken and the methods they've used and 89 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,920 the way they've gone about it has not 90 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:58,519 dissuaded me from the initial view 91 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:01,599 however the failure of Blair and his 92 00:03:58,519 --> 00:04:03,640 cohorts is such a a gigantic elephant in 93 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:07,360 the room that even chilcott will not be 94 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:09,760 able to ignore it so some criticism some 95 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,319 condemnation will have to uh be 96 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,000 forthcoming the question is when but do 97 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:16,400 you honestly believe Tony Blair could 98 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,919 ever be tried for war crimes I do I 99 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,000 might be one of the few who do after all 100 00:04:18,919 --> 00:04:23,040 his face is the wrong color for a start 101 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000 the only people who get tried at the hag 102 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:30,120 are black African leaders but I believe 103 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,880 that if Tony Blair is not a war criminal 104 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,919 there can be no such thing as a war 105 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,919 criminal if you deceive the British 106 00:04:34,919 --> 00:04:38,800 Parliament for more than a year which is 107 00:04:36,919 --> 00:04:41,240 now clear from the power memorandum he 108 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,720 did you deceive the queen you deceive 109 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,720 the Armed Forces you deceive the parents 110 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,960 of all the soldiers that you send there 111 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:51,479 you deceive the public uh and then you 112 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,880 commit crimes against humanity war 113 00:04:51,479 --> 00:04:56,440 crimes in the theater itself and the 114 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,120 outcome is so disastrous well if that if 115 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,639 you don't get tried for that what can 116 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,000 you get tried for a million people 117 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:05,880 people are now dead George Galloway many 118 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,880 thanks for joining us